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Discussion One
GK: I'm getting a feel for how the Moon's Nodes and Fortuna/spirit represent different ways the Sun, Moon, and Earth come together from outside the ego's limited perspective. The nodes in a more basic or fundamental relationship of the vital energies and mysterious nutritive power that feeds and supports the Earth-Mind, and the Sun/Moon parts as the more immediately creative and directly alive realization of the individual's uniqueness in the context of the whole splay of the life.
Timothy J. Smith: I agree with your comment about the Nodes (more later) I'm interested in your comment "the Sun/Moon parts as the more immediately creative and directly alive realization of the individual's uniqueness in the context of the whole splay of the life" Isn't that exactly what the Ego is supposed to be??? I think that the Pars Fortuna tells us where to begin building an ego that will neither conflict with the Soul's presence (the Ascendant) nor the workings of Nature (Moon) and destiny (Sun). I'm distinguishing Ego from Egotism and generally sloppy "Me Psyche - You Thing" consciousness which I, for one, am so very fond of. My reason for thinking this is because the Parts, like the ego, have no separate existence of their own - they only show how the Cosmic Soul (Planets) can Exist in the dualistic psyche (hence the pairing of planets) in a way that is relevant to the Individual Soul - whose mark, I believe, is the Ascendant (and therefore the whole angular cross).
GK: Jones says the nodes are creatures of the signs and the parts of the houses, which makes a lot of sense. In his Arabian notes, he speaks of bringing the nodes and parts together as a cabbalistic marriage of philosophy and poetry. I'm trying to figure out how the two work together in this sense. Jones calls the nodes the essential approach and the parts the accidental approach to an infinite symbolization of life.
Timothy: "Jones says the nodes are creatures of the signs and the parts of the houses" like you, I agree that this makes a lot of sense. As you know, the parts don't change houses even if the Ascendant is off a little. Then "In his Arabian notes, he speaks of bringing the nodes and parts together as a cabbalistic marriage of philosophy and poetry." Absolutely not! The third comment proves this: Nodes are Essential, and the Parts are Accidental. Marrying the Nodes and Parts is like changing the tires on a horse.
GK: I'm also interested in your take on planetary sect and this day and night business with the parts.
Timothy: Not only does the differentiation of day and night births make sense, it works. I have been working with the Day/Night Part of Fortune for several years and won't be going back. The In Hayz and Ex Condition designations certainly seem to be significant in terms of the general integration of a planet. When a planet is In Hayz, the individual seems to take it for what it is, without confusing its power with the character of the sign or house. Vice-versa for the Ex Condition.
GK: In general, I'm wondering if you have any thoughts about the nodes or how they relate to the parts.
Timothy: As far as I can see, the only relationship between the parts and the nodes is that they're both astrological. The parts are all about relationships - between planets and then again to the Ascendant (usually) so they're a relationship to a relationship - and they're entirely private - even twins don't share them. The nodes are all over the chart - every house cusp is a node, as are the solstice points - a node simply is the point of intersection of two different co-ordinate systems.
The four great nodes are: Aries: Equator/Ecliptic; East: Equator/Horizon; Ascendant: Horizon/Ecliptic and Moon Node: Moon Orbit/Ecliptic. Lots of food for thought here. I consider each of these nodes as a point of dual perspective. Kind of like a cat in a back door - considering the world within and the world without. The Moons Nodes allow us to consider the inner world as well as the ordinary 'lunar' world. This is huge - just glimpsing the spiritual reality without being able to bring it to our lives (North node) or our life to it (South node) would have no evolutionary value. The north node allows us to start fresh every day, in every relationship, in every meditation, in every meal. The south node allows us to draw on the essence of our experience - and to fall back on tried-and-true behavior when all else fails. Since a lot of our tried-and-true behavior is piss-poor, the South Node gets a bad rap - that's our ego's fault, not innate in the function. The habit pattern of His Holiness is nothing to sneeze at (when the Dalai Lama has a transit to that point He tends to fall back on familiar themes and talk about Tibet, when something is transiting his North Node he makes an innovative suggestion or undertakes an innovative action).
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